Motherhood is all consuming.

Having babies, nursing, feeling the fear of loving someone that much, and there's this baby on your chest, and boom, your entire life has changed.

It's a privilege of being your child's safest space and watching your heart walk around outside of your body.

The truth is.

I can be having the best time being a mom one minute, and then the next, I'm questioning all my life choices.

I'm Lo Mansfield, your host of the Lo and Behold podcast, mama of four Littles, former labor and postpartum RN, CLC, and your new best friend in the messy middle space of all the choices you are making in pregnancy, birth, and motherhood.

If there is one thing I know after years of delivering babies at the bedside and then having, and now raising those four of my own, it is that there is no such thing as a best way to do any of this.

And we're leaning into that truth here with the mix of real life and what the textbook says, expert Insights and practical applications.

Each week we're making our way towards stories that we participate in, stories that we are honest about, and stories that are ours.

This is the lo and behold podcast.

I am so excited to share today's guest with you.

We are going to move away from.

Applicable birth baby parenting space that we do talk about so often here on lo and behold, and we're gonna move over to the messy middle gray.

I don't have words for all that I'm feeling or experiencing, but wow, it's a lot.

We're gonna, we're gonna spend some time in that space.

My guest today is Hannah Rosenberg.

She is a poet whose work has been featured widely online.

That's where I found her years ago.

And I feel like these are my words, not hers, but that she has just blown up the last couple years and I see hers.

Stuff getting shared all over the place.

She's also been featured in publications for moms and for parents like Darling and in Kind.

She lives in the Greater Philadelphia area with her husband and her daughter, and you will certainly find that they are.

The impetus or you know, the art behind so much of what she creates.

But I want to tell you as well that she really speaks so much, and we'll talk about this, to friendship, to relationships, to parenting, to marriage, to motherhood.

This is not just all about birth and being a mother, having babies.

She writes to all kinds of human experiences.

So it was an absolute joy to talk to her today.

Let's get you into that conversation.

Hannah, I am so, so excited to have you with me today.

I was just telling her before we were getting started that we talk so much about birth and babies and like very specific clinical or I don't know, day-to-day stuff here on the podcast that I'm really excited to almost talk.

To you more about like, I'm gonna call it like the fluffy stuff or the in between, like the stuff that we don't always have words for.

So.

Mm-hmm.

Hannah, why don't you introduce yourself to everybody and then we'll just, yeah.

We'll get into this conversation.

Perfect.

Thank you so much.

I'm so excited to be here too.

So my name is Hannah Rosenberg.

I. I am a mother of one and one on the way.

And I have been writing and sharing poetry online for the past five plus years.

And this year, I think the week that this podcast comes out, I have a book coming out.

Same, it's a collection of almost new poem, all new poems, and some old ones too that I've shared, before.

But it's a poetry book.

Has poems for ourselves, for our bodies, our minds, our children, our friends, our relationships, our younger selves and our family.

So all types of relationships, including the one that we have with ourself is in the, is in the book.

Same.

Perfect.

I am excited to see this book come out and I am someone who found you from, I'm assuming, when you started sharing on social media.

Mm-hmm.

And I don't know, you didn't mention, when did you start sharing your stuff on social media?

You said five-ish years.

Is that.

Does that correlate to social media too?

Yes.

Yeah, so I've always loved reading poems, always loved writing them, but it was always something I did kind of for myself.

And then mm-hmm.

I actually heard you speak about this on your podcast 'cause I'm such a big fan of yours as well.

I started sharing during COVID at the beginning of COVID Kind.

It was my creative project and, it was something where before I had felt.

A little insecure and kind of embarrassed to share such personal, poems.

And, you know, when our collective world turned upside down and we were, life looked so different than it had, it kind of gave me the motivation to start sharing something and just see where it go.

Went and, I'm so glad that I did 'cause it's completely changed my life in the best of ways.

That resonates with me.

And I know I already shared this 'cause you said you heard it, but I actually also kind of almost started sharing more online when I first started of motherhood.

And I, I'm gonna say I dabble in poetry 'cause I love to write too, but.

not like publish.

That's not the one thing I would say I'm pursuing, but I'd love to write.

And so you'll see these random poems like pop up on Yeah.

On my account as well.

And when I started, it was more of this like, I just have these words to say Yeah.

About both becoming a mother.

And so that's where like the clinical part of it has come in for me as well.

And then also the, the, the being a mother.

Mm-hmm.

Right.

And so then I'd have these random like poems or words popping into my head while I'm, yeah.

Nursing my baby.

And then at the same time I'm also like clinically thinking like, oh, I could also teach about breastfeeding.

Yes.

So it was, I still like to mix in like poetry and words and I think that there are probably some women and moms and people who follow me 'cause they love that part the most.

And so it's kind of been a balance for me of balancing the two, but like what you do in this idea of feeling vulnerable but also.

Putting words to this collective experience that we are having, even though it's unique.

Like I just, I totally get that, like this idea of stuff just popping up in the middle of your day and having these words for something as simple as dropping your kid off at preschool or whatever.

So I actually wanted to ask you, this feels like a very artistic question, but

Yeah.

Where do you get.

Your ideas, your prompts, is it literally just from living life, being a mom, like experiencing the world?

Oh, totally.

It sounds cheesy, but yeah.

Yeah, totally.

So yeah, so when I started sharing, I had made this.

Goal for myself to share a new poem every week for a year.

And, I got this idea from a, a podcast I had been listening to where another artist talked about how she, she was a visual artist and how she shared something new every week without, kind of like monitoring herself or, limiting herself.

By saying like, it's not finished yet.

But just this idea of whatever she came up with in that week, she would share.

And that really resonated with me, because I, anyone who creates any sort of art knows, like it could be endlessly edited and, never done.

So, I just had made this goal where whatever I had, I would share and I would consider it a draft and allow myself to take it down or re-edit it, which I've done so many times.

And.

Really, I, I didn't have, like, I never had a plan where I was like, this week I'll write about this, and this week I'll write about this.

It was just what was happening in life, what came up for me.

And a lot of it ended up because I'm, you know, I'm, I really, lean into like relationships in my life and those friendships and my, you know, relationship with my husband and my family.

Those are so important to me.

So that came, started to come up a lot in my writing.

But it was whatever really I was thinking about and and what was going on.

I, you know, if, if it would change how I felt like I could write or if I was like, I'm not gonna have any ideas because I'm gonna be so consumed with this new role.

But it was what you said it was, you know, I would be sitting nursing her.

Pull out my phone and write down some thoughts, or I would be pushing her in the stroller and, write down some things on my phone.

And it really was so good for my, you know, mental health and my, my personal journey to be able to take these things that felt so new and hard and challenging and unpredictable and put it into,

put it into something that felt beautiful to me and like I would, I felt like poetry helped me take the really hard things and also just find the, the joy in them and find the beauty in them.

All right.

I have a follow up question to what you just said.

Yeah.

Do you ever.

I don't wanna say struggle with, but find that like I know that when I've shared personally, or even just in stories, since that's part of what I do, is like share more of what's going on in our home, in our lives too.

Do you find that it's ever a struggle to kind of share your version of the experience and know that like not everyone is gonna say, oh yeah, that's how I felt.

For me too, like I'm picturing I'm making this up, but like sharing some.

I don't know, poem that speaks to both the high and low of the moment of birth or something and then someone else is like, well, it was horrible for me, you know, idea that pushed and pulled of like, that wasn't my experience.

But obviously you are sharing yours, but so often this does speak to such a big number of people.

I just think it's an interesting thing to do to kind.

Put your art out there and know that it won't always be interpreted, that we're not all experiencing motherhood and experiences within it in the same way.

Oh, totally.

And I think that all life experiences, but you know, motherhood and parenthood is such, you know, this personal experience.

But like you said, it's so universal.

Like everyone who's a person, you know, has parents and, you know, got here because they have, you know, someone who gave birth to them.

And I think that we feel so strongly about our own experience that sometimes it is hard to hear.

Some, an experience that's very different.

Like even now I am, you know, I'm pregnant with my second child and I'm now well into my second trimester, but first trimester was very hard for me.

Like I, both pregnancies, I've been extremely sick both times and.

I remember someone telling, I think I asked them when I was kind of in the midst of it, like someone I met at the park or so, you know, not, not someone I knew very well, like if they, if they also had had, you know, they felt sick, during their pregnancies and they were like, no, I actually felt fine.

And my, like, I started welling.

Like, it was just such a strong reaction because it was so different than mine.

And, you know, you're just always kind of looking for that comradery, in your own experience.

So.

For sure.

I feel like when I share something, and I've, I try to, I think especially with poetry, if you try to write something that is general, in my opinion, it's not gonna be good poetry.

'cause poetry is about the specific and about the specific experience, and so.

I mean, I, that's just kind of what I always stick to is this is just my experience, just what I'm going through.

But there's, there always are, are people who, you know, who have different experiences.

And I think the hard thing about sharing online is that when you're sharing something that's artistic, I think sometimes people take it as.

Like you're saying that this is, you, you are almost giving a lesson or you are sharing like a gospel.

And it's not, it's like you're sharing a, a thought or a diary entry, like something that's just your, your own experience.

So I think that poem that, you know, you, you just referenced, I, I wrote recently that I.

I'm poem, about my daughter starting preschool.

And, I went to this coffee shop that I always go to with her and it was this idea of like, enjoying these things that are normally challenging, like waiting in line with a 2-year-old isn't relaxing.

But.

It's so sweet.

Like there, you know, the, I, there are these things that she does, like she wants to pick out cheese, she wants to pick out her juice.

She's asking me for another treat.

And then we use the bathroom and it takes 20 minutes because, you know, we're on this endless cycle of washing our hands 'cause she keeps touching everything.

And so it's me, like the poem is me kind of en enjoying what's, you know, that alone time, but the whole time I'm thinking about her because.

She is the biggest part of my life.

And I think some people wrote kind of comments that, yeah, it does feel like, oh, like that's not what I meant.

Like someone wrote like, well, I feel bad that I actually don't feel like that.

You know, when I, when I drop my child off, I'm happy.

And I think the thing about poems too is they're like one, it's one thought and one ti, you know, one thing, like there are certainly times when I have been a little, when I've been out to dinner with friends, when I've been like, I'm so happy to be here.

Like, this is, you know, so it's not like I'm saying this gospel of like, if you don't feel like this, you're not a good, you know, you're not a good parent.

Not at all.

And so yes, that.

Definitely can, can get me as like, I almost wanna write disclaimers in all of my poems.

Like this is a thought, this is a feeling.

All feelings are valid.

You said something in that, it's funny, I feel, I wrote out some questions that I wanted to maybe talk to you about and you keep like leading into the next one, which is maybe a good thing.

It means we're like on the same wavelength right now.

But you talked about, like, my question was do you think that there are commonalities that we share?

And I would say, I know like you don't just write about motherhood being women or being in a relationship or having children.

Or is the crossover, does the crossover between us and our experiences, is it just like sporadic and random?

And, and I'm thinking about it because like there are other people who maybe there is a day or a moment where.

They are at the coffee shop and they're thinking, I wonder what my preschool is doing right now, but perhaps the very next day they're really busy.

Yeah.

And they're like, I have so much to do.

I'm not thinking at all about my kids because Oh yeah.

I'm so grateful to be here right now and just have some free space.

So I just like thinking through that idea of are there these threads, and I know you mentioned like your job or.

Job as an artist I'll say, is not to try and please everyone or write or create art that works for everyone.

Right.

But do you think there are maybe threads that run through some of these different experiences and that's why like when something hits, it really hits?

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

I think so.

I think that there, I kind of have like two different.

Like, almost like buckets of thought around this.

I think there are some things that, and I love reading something or like seeing a reel that someone made or, you know, or, or a, even like listening to a song, like I think this is why songs are so meaningful where you're like, oh my gosh, yes, exactly that I've had the exact, you know, like that exact same experience, has happened to me.

And it resonates.

And then I think that there are things that resonate because we're all human beings with feeling strong feelings and strong emotions.

And you don't have to have the same exact experience for you, to feel the feeling that, that you're getting from the poem or the song or whatever, you know, whatever piece of art.

And I think that that is what I hope that people, get from, you know, my.

My poems in my book is you don't, we don't all have the same experiences and we don't all have the same reactions to experiences, but we're all human beings who have who have feelings of joy and sadness and longing and excitement and disappointment.

And for me, experiencing art is getting to kind of understand that those are like collective human experiences and to see.

To see other people go through them and kind of like share that resonating like same.

I also feel, you know, I also have those feelings is really powerful.

Mm-hmm.

Do you think that becoming a mom, 'cause you, you share, based on your timeline, you did not have a little one before you were writing.

I'm assuming you were, you've probably been writing and loving writing for years and years, but then started sharing and then did become a mother and obviously have continued to share.

Do you think that that like opened up new, I guess I'll say like material for you or just.

I mean, I would think it would ha, the answer would have to be yes, but I don't think that you have to have children to be able to sit in a moment and like experience some of these like universal kind of things that we're talking about.

So do you think that it, you know, you mentioned earlier like, will it change me, will it change my art?

Or like, will I not be able to write at all?

How do you think being a mom did change all of this personally for you?

Yeah.

So, yeah, I mean, definitely.

Of course opened, opened it up to me, up to new ways of thinking about things.

Unlocked, new experiences, new feelings.

You know, I think becoming a parent is like the most life-changing experience that I've gone through.

What you said actually, I used to love before, long before I was, a mom, I loved reading memoirs that kids would write about their parents, or parents would write about parenthood.

I think that there's something.

Like, not to repeat myself, but just so human and so beautiful.

Like, you don't have to be a parent necessarily to connect to connect to that sort of story.

'cause like I said, everyone's a child.

You know, everyone came from a family and so, yeah, I don't, I don't think that that's.

I don't think that it is only like I, I, when I write something, I'm, I'm not only thinking like, what will other parents think, but, you know, I hope that, I hope that it can resonate too with people who are, children of parents.

I think often I, I write about, 'cause I have, I only have a young child that, you know, my experiences are all about this, but I love when people reach out to me and say things like, oh, I sent this to my teenage.

My teenage child because this, this is really, this is how I feel about them and this, you know, and so those feel really meaningful to me.

I think that what was also surprising that I hadn't thought about was becoming a parent also changes your other relationships.

And so, other relationships that have been really meaningful to me, throughout my whole life, you know, we're affected, not necessarily.

In a bad way, but just, you know, it changes the dynamic.

So it changes, you know, friendship is something that I write about a lot and friends have always been, you know, some of my greatest love stories and becoming a parent changes how, you know, I think continually changes, throughout different phases of parenthood, but definitely changes at the beginning.

But you know, in some ways, like I wasn't seeing my friends as much.

I wasn't able to spend as much face time with them, but in other ways like.

I was more present with them because I felt like I relied so much on friends, you know, in those, I mean always, but in those early days of motherhood, just that support and, again, not to be myself, but like that feeling of like, the way you're feeling.

I've also felt, and the way you know, what you're going through, I've also gone through.

And so I felt like I never, almost never needed my friends more than, when I became a mom.

Well, that's such like a. Postpartum conversation too of that idea of village, right?

And if you have one, it's life changing.

And if you don't.

It's life changing too, but I would say maybe not like life giving where it's like you need, yes, you need it, or else perhaps you're not able to show up have the support in the way you want to.

So yeah, I think, I love that you talk about friendship seasons.

Just other things that I do think are universal, that we don't have to only.

You know, be creating inside of the parenthood sphere because it is true that just this idea that like we were someone before and we're obviously someone after and having them changes all of the relationships that existed before.

So just like fleshing, fleshing that out with your new hat of being a mom on, I just think it's such a cool becoming how, yes, becoming a mom will change the art, but also how it can like impact the ways you wrote about or created about.

The whole life and ecosystem that you had set up before these, you know, these kids show up.

'cause so much you think for all of us of being postpartum, whether it's first or last or whatever in between is like that question of who I am now.

But also I have all these people who are, have been with me from the beginning.

And so just like flushing that out.

Totally.

Yeah.

It's fun.

It's

fun to

do.

Like, you know, friends that were, will support you through all of your changes.

And then also, like you said, like remind you who you were before.

Like, I had a, a really good friend that I lived with for several years, visit me a few months ago.

And, he was like, I was just thinking about it and it was like, we, like, we really did nothing the whole weekend.

Like we hung out.

We, sat on my couch and like drank seltzer and ate snacks, like things that we used to do when we lived together, watch TV together.

But it was, it's so nice to like remember like, you're somebody's friend, you know, like you're, somebody's, like, you're not just somebody's mom.

You're, you're a good friend to people.

You're somebody that people, you know, want to spend time with and, and love in a different way outside of just your role as a mom.

It's funny you just mentioned like sitting on the couch and drinking Sr too, because when you said that, I also heard like.

The poem in there about like, this is what friendship is.

I just, one of my friends just had her fourth baby and I was texting her the other day and I was saying like, I wish I could just sit on the couch and talk to you while you hold your baby right now.

Literally all I wanna do right now is actually just, we don't have to do anything like this.

Our friendship looks so different than it did in college, but when you, the seltzer thing so silly.

But I just felt like, yeah, we would probably sit there and like drink a seltzer or a glass of wine.

Yeah.

And do nothing.

Yeah.

And I'm sure there are so many people who would say, yep, that's what my friendship looks, right?

Yeah, exactly.

Looks like right now too.

Just so it's like Yeah.

Through lines that I do think run through our experiences unique.

Yes, absolutely.

But like there's these little things that just.

Yeah, just kind of hit, which, that actually does bring me to my next question.

'cause I was curious if you, if I asked what has been your most popular piece or something that just, you put it out there and thought, whoa, like this one really hit, what, what would that be?

What was it about?

Yeah, so, okay.

So I, I'll talk about two poems.

The first is the title poem of the book.

Same.

So that was, my first poem that I guess.

Like went mini viral.

Like I don't, not viral, but like I noticed so many more people were sharing, I was getting a lot more, followers after that poem.

And so something happened with that poem.

But it was like the third or fourth time I shared it and I had actually shared it.

It was a different title.

The first time I shared it, it was called Revised Resolutions, and I shared it on like a New Year's day.

I wrote it, you know, the premise of the poem is like, oh, I can read it, but, or, or you can read it.

But like what's really valuable to changing, you know, like these habits that we think that we need to do, like eat healthier or, obviously important, but, you know, these make more money.

But that's not really important.

Like what's important is like showing up for people and being like, I'm, I struggle through things too.

Like showing up with our authentic self.

So that, that and that kind of idea and thought is present in a lot of my poems.

I think that, you know, I, I hope that in a space, the internet can be amazing.

It can be really hard.

I have both of those experiences, you know, being a user of the, of just a consumer of the internet and also sharing on the internet.

But.

I think that an experience that everyone resonates with is sometimes you look at things online and you're like, that makes me feel so bad, because that's not, you know, that's not my, like my house doesn't look amazing all the time and I have a really hard time keeping, you know, a perfect schedule.

And, you know, a lot of times I, like you said, I do just wanna sit on the couch and scroll on my phone and not wake up at 5:00 AM and you know, do all these amazing things before my kids wake up.

Sometimes there's a place for that.

Sometimes there's not.

But I hope that my poems online kind of are.

A way for people to feel like okay with where they are and, and what they're doing and what they're not doing.

And again, like even if it's not the same experience, to feel like okay, there's, it's really fine to be, to have hard things and difficult things and not have it all together.

So that was a longwinded answer for that one.

And then the other poem is Marriage of Friends.

So as I said, and you, you know, you you mentioned too, I love writing what I call like friendship, love poems.

You know, I love the idea that, love poems don't just have to be romantic.

Like I'm very happily married and love writing poems about my husband, but also love writing poems about my friends who, like, as I said before, like, you know, they are great love stories too.

And Marriage of Friends was a poem that I had shared again, like.

I had shared it a a few times and then one time I shared it and it, kind of like blew up, like got shared a ton.

More than any other poem had been shared before, and that tends to be the one that I see shared most often.

You know, people making reels with it or, posting pictures of their friends.

And so that makes me really happy to see.

I love that because obviously this, you know, this podcast and so much of what I do is this kind of like birth and early motherhood space, partly because that's where I am.

Yeah.

And now I'm moving into having big kids too.

Yeah.

But I think.

Yeah, the idea of friendship is one that crosses lines, right?

Like, that doesn't surprise me.

There's no you, you know, you don't have to figure out how to get pregnant if that's a challenge.

Like be friendship is something all of us are going to experience at one point of an or another.

And, you know, motherhood Parenthood might not be.

And so it doesn't really surprise me that some of the ones that have been most popular though, maybe the motherhood ones are what initially caught my eye is.

Ones that are more universal and more able to be shared amongst all of us.

Like regardless of how old we are or the choices to be made about having families or not, like I'm pretty sure most of us have had a friend or will have friends at some point that help us understand like the type of.

Art that you put out in somebody's friendship.

Love, love poems.

Yeah.

Which I do just love.

Will you read either one of the ones we've talked about?

Yeah.

Or one from your book, like whatever poem you'd like to read.

Will you just read one for us?

Yeah.

So, I was thinking before we talked, you know, that, like you said, a lot of people who listen to your, podcast are either.

Like newly postpartum or going through, you know, experiencing pregnancy.

And so I'd love to read one from my, it's the first poem in my, section in my la last section, which is for a children.

It's called, I forgot to say Thank you.

I forgot to say thank you.

In all of my worry, I forgot to say thank you.

I worried before because what if and what if not?

And then for nine months straight, I worried at least once a day about the baby.

And though that is a lot of worry, it's no excuse.

I was annoyed because spontaneous nausea is more romantic in theory.

Exhaustion too.

I asked you why, why?

Why?

Why are you tired?

Why are you sick?

Even though I knew, I like to see you grow and expand, but I wondered why you could not walk uphill without stopping to rest.

And why did your back ache at night when we were meant to be hoarding sleep in the delivery room?

I was focused on the task at hand and you performing it just right that I forgot then too.

And after it was such a blur as you healed and we became an outside home for an outside baby.

So I forgot until now to say it, but I would like to my body, all of you, every last inch.

Thank you.

Beautiful.

Thank you.

Just over here like

swallowing, hoping that camera

doesn't pick up me swallowing, trying not to cry.

I'm a big cry baby anyways, but I love it.

Me too.

It's beautiful.

Thank you, Elna.

I'm super excited about your book.

I have loved, I don't know, just seeing what pops into my feed from you the last few years.

It's been such a. Treat to see how you interpret it.

You know, being a mother too.

Now that you are, and expecting again, where can people find you?

Please share your Instagram handle, anywhere else, website, and then whatever you wanna share too about this book that we can get in our hands too.

Thank you.

So, yes, you can find me online.

I'm on Instagram at Hannah, row writes, that's where I share, I, that's where I started to share regularly every week.

And I still share, I share information about the book, but also just poems that aren't in the book, poems that I, you know, I just write every week.

You can also find me@hannahrowwrites.com.

There's information again about the book and, about some fun things I'm doing with the book.

Something fun that came up recently is that some of my readers are starting to throw same parties.

That's what we're calling it and it's just kind of a way to celebrate with the people in their lives.

So, if you're interested in that, there's, it's really, it could be anything you wanna be, but I have lots of ideas from what people have been sharing with me.

So that's on my website too.

And then, yeah, same, same will be out.

I have my advanced reader copy, so this is not the final version, but it will be, the final version will be printing very soon.

And, I guess when this podcast comes out, it will be out.

So you can find it anywhere where you get books online.

Any independent bookstore in your neighborhood should have it or should be able to order it from you.

And yeah, please, please reach out to me.

I say I try to respond to everyone who sends me a DM or email, so if you haven't heard back from me, that just means I haven't read it.

So try again.

Try reach out again, and I would love to hear from you.

Perfect.

Okay.

And then if you guys are listening, present day, like the day this release, this episode release, the book comes out tomorrow.

So just to clarify, if you're gonna dash off and buy this book, it technically is available tomorrow, October 21st, so have that right?

Yeah.

Yes.

October 26th.

Yeah.

Okay.

And then everything that you just shared too, like handle, and.

Website and all that.

We'll put in the show notes as well so you guys can peek and see and definitely follow along.

Especially, I mean, my heart says, especially now that you're gonna have another baby that just, I think will open up more areas of reflection and creation, I'm sure.

Will you just share I and all of the podcasts this way, just one thing with us right now that is bringing a ton of joy to you in your life.

Big, small.

It can be anything.

Okay.

So right now, like I said before, first trimester is really rough for me and I, coffee brings me so much joy.

So right now I am like able to drink my morning coffee again after a summer of no coffee.

So sitting on the couch with my daughter, drinking my morning coffee and reading books to her is just bringing me a lot of joy right now.

Mm-hmm.

I concur.

I know we are technically, we're recording this on the first day of fall.

I'll just tell you guys that.

And so even just like me in my head, I'm like, it's fall and it is getting a little crispy out here in Denver where we live, and it just feels so good to feel that transition to Oh yeah, the cozy, I mean, I'm not.

Pregnant and over the first trimester.

Yeah.

But yeah, that, that, yes.

And that sweeps in that coziness and, and now you feel good after that first try the warm

drink in the morning with a blanket.

Oh, it's the best.

It's the best.

It's the best.

Yeah.

Well, Hannah, thank you so much for joining me.

Thank you for reading too.

That was such a sweet little gift for us.

Oh, thank you for having me.

Good luck.

As this book goes out into the world, I, I love your words.

Thanks so much.

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